What is the 'laser code' experiment?
Participants ingest DMT and view a projected fractured/fractal laser on a surface; many independently report perceiving a structured, self-executing code overlay on that projection.
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Goler’s team projects a fractured/fractal laser while participants ingest DMT; many report seeing the same self-executing ‘code’ on the projection surface.
The phenomenon has been replicated thousands of times across scientists, engineers, and lay participants, suggesting a shared experiential pattern rather than a random hallucination.
Code of Reality Inc. is being formed to study ‘cognitive physics’ — the proposed interface between consciousness and physical matter.
Different tryptamine experiences (e.g., N,N-DMT vs 5-MeO variants) produce distinct phenomenologies, from vivid structured visuals to dissolution/encountering a divine presence.
Goler links these experiences to broader metaphysical questions: the hard problem of consciousness, simulation-style metaphors, and a layered/diverse cosmology including Christian motifs.
Participants ingest DMT and view a projected fractured/fractal laser on a surface; many independently report perceiving a structured, self-executing code overlay on that projection.
Goler argues that thousands of consistent replications across scientists and engineers make simple hallucination unlikely, though he frames the work as ongoing scientific investigation rather than definitive proof.
A nonprofit being formed to study 'cognitive physics' — the proposed relationship between consciousness and physical matter using experimental protocols like the laser-DMT tests.
N,N-DMT tends to produce detailed, content-rich visual environments (including the laser-code), while 5-MeO-style experiences are described as deeper dissolutions or direct encounters with a divine presence.
Collaborations with consciousness researchers, brain scans during DMT sessions, plans to test external physical manipulations (e.g., magnetic fields), and documentary/film projects to document the research.
"Everything that you have discovered is mind-blowing in the way that a gigantic invention of technology is."
Tyler Ramsey introduces Danny Goler, emphasizing the significance of Goler's insights and discoveries regarding consciousness.
Goler acknowledges the praise but stresses that his work is about providing information rather than asking for blind acceptance.
He refers to the idea that if phenomena are real, they can withstand scrutiny, indicating a focus on genuine investigation of consciousness.
"What I discovered is essentially that if you project a fractured laser on the surface and you ingest DMT, you will see a self-executing code of some sort."
Goler explains the experiment where a projected laser and DMT ingestion lead participants to perceive a type of code on the projection surface.
The success of this experiment relies on thousands of replications conducted with diverse participants, including scientists and engineers who believed in the validity of these findings.
He mentions the establishment of a nonprofit organization, "Code of Reality Inc.," dedicated to exploring the connection between consciousness and physical matter through what he calls "cognitive physics."
"What we're interested in is what's called the hard problem of consciousness."
Goler discusses the distinction between traditional cognitive science methods that map brain activity and his project's aim to address deeper philosophical questions regarding consciousness.
He explains the hard problem of consciousness, which involves understanding why and how subjective experiences arise from neural processes.
This pursuit invites comparisons with physical sciences but highlights a unique angle that seeks to bridge the gap between the conscious experience and the material world.
"You will see this code. It seems to have complete space permanence."
Goler clarifies the mechanics of his laser experiment, stressing that participants consistently observe the same visual output while under the influence of DMT, leading to a shared experience that challenges the notion of mere hallucination.
He explains that the projected light creates a static image that does not shift with the movement of the light source, which reinforces the distinction between optical effects and the perceived code.
This leads to critical questions about the nature of reality and the possibility that these visions could provide insights into a broader understanding of existence.
"It doesn't seem to be the case that you can influence the code in any way."
Goler discusses the challenges faced when trying to alter perceptions of the observed code through external stimuli, such as sound or music.
He notes that regardless of the conditions imposed during experimentation, the output remains consistent, suggesting that the discovered phenomena possess intrinsic qualities independent of external variables.
Goler mentions future collaboration with a rocket company to further test their findings using advanced materials and technology, indicating continued exploration of this fascinating frontier.
"If I can right now...expose the laser to a powerful enough magnetic field, something might happen to the code."
The discussion revolves around the potential effects of introducing a magnetic field to a DMT laser experiment, suggesting that this might alter visual perceptions.
If both individuals involved witness a shared visual change due to an external influence, it could significantly shift the interpretations of consciousness and cognition, complicating existing understandings of reality.
This introduces a fascinating notion: if an external force can modify perception, what does that imply about the nature of human cognition?
"It's absolutely bonkers to think that there's a chance we might all just be sitting in a waiting room on our way to heaven."
The conversation takes a philosophical turn as one individual expresses thoughts on perhaps existing in a simulated reality, leading to endless possibilities regarding afterlife beliefs.
They only view these concepts positively, noting that they remain grounded in their spiritual beliefs and see new information as complementing rather than contradicting their understanding of existence.
The acceptance of new ideas about consciousness and reality is emphasized as exciting rather than threatening, especially when navigating experiences with substances like DMT.
"With 5 MO, it's a full dissolution of everything—the self, your perception of the body."
There’s a distinction made between NNDMT, known for its visual and content-driven experiences, and 5 MO, which provides a deeper, more abstract experience described as coming face-to-face with a divine presence.
The interview reflects on how these alternate states of consciousness can feel more real than waking life, almost like ‘leveling up’ from dreams to a heightened reality.
One participant articulates how experiences with DMT can impact perceptions of reality, suggesting they reveal layers previously hidden from awareness, thus introducing one’s consciousness to extraordinary dimensions.
"It would be very difficult to understand what you're explaining without having at least an introduction to some kind of ayahuasca or mushrooms."
The dialogue suggests that grasping the profound dimensions of altered consciousness might require firsthand experience with psychedelics like ayahuasca or mushrooms.
An analogy is drawn to a thought experiment about a researcher who has lived in a black-and-white room yet studies color without having ever seen it, highlighting the limitations of understanding without direct experience.
This comparison emphasizes that while theoretical knowledge has value, it may not fully encompass the essence of subjective experiences like those often reported during psychedelic journeys.
"If she steps outside one day into a colorful world, did she learn something? Yes, she learned everything."
The discussion emphasizes the importance of firsthand experience in gaining true knowledge. A color expert who has never experienced colors cannot comprehend their significance until she encounters them. This illustrates the idea that understanding often requires direct interaction with the subject matter.
Symbolism and theoretical knowledge, while useful, cannot replace experiential knowledge. For example, you can't build a rocket based solely on theoretical principles without practical experience. There are specificities and exact arrangements in reality that require intuition born from hands-on encounters.
The concept of experiencing something before understanding it is further illustrated with the analogy of tasting peppermint bon bon ice cream. Knowing about it in theory doesn't compare to the actual experience, highlighting the necessity of sensory involvement in learning.
"Nothing really matters until something experiences it."
The conversation delves into a theological perspective where God requires experience through creation. It suggests that souls were sent to the physical plane to experience all aspects of existence, asserting that for God to realize his own divinity, there must be something other than himself to observe and engage with.
This view posits that each soul plays a role in the broader understanding of divinity. The notion is that God needs varied experiences to truly know all aspects of creation, reflecting the relational nature of divinity.
"We are creators in the making."
A metaphor is drawn comparing the creative abilities of children to those of God. Just as a child constructs worlds from toys with deep affection and pride, God engages in creation with similar love and intention.
The discussion touches upon a misunderstanding in modern spiritual beliefs that equate human beings with the divinity of Christ. While humans are unique creations, there's a distinction emphasized where Jesus is seen as God embodied, implying a different nature unlike any other entity.
"If God is all-powerful and all-good, why does God allow for evil?"
The conversation addresses the philosophical dilemma known as the problem of evil, presenting it as a significant challenge for religious believers. This inquiry probes into the presence of suffering and moral failures in the world amidst the belief in a benevolent deity.
Instead of simply contemplating the question's implications, the discussion suggests rephrasing it to ask if there's evidence of a compassionate God who comprehends human suffering. This approach opens a pathway to understanding the nature of divine empathy and the potential necessity of God's human incarnation to genuinely experience suffering.
"God allowed Himself to go into that state to truly feel the ultimate version of suffering that no human can withstand."
Danny discusses a profound concept in which God, after experiencing existence for a while, decides to momentarily pause and truly empathize with the suffering of humanity. This idea suggests that even God desires to understand human pain and suffering on a carnal level.
He emphasizes that God, through Jesus, endured immense suffering and emotional turmoil, such as betrayal and witnessing the pain of loved ones. This power of empathy is portrayed as something that even the divine is willing to confront in order to connect more deeply with human experience.
"It's much worse than just physical torture; it's about knowing the inevitable pain of loved ones."
The discussion transitions to a deeper analysis of suffering, depicting it as not merely physical but rather encompassing the emotional and existential anguish that can come from awareness. For instance, Danny reflects on the concept of knowing that loved ones will endure pain and suffering, which adds another layer to the nature of suffering.
He articulates how understanding the depths of this suffering is a testament to God's love for humanity. This greater capacity for empathy highlights the complexity of divine love and sacrifice.
"Entering that space, there are things live there, trying to interact with you and perform for you."
Danny shares his unique experiences with DMT and other psychedelics, describing how these substances allow him to enter a state where he can perceive a rich array of interactions with various entities or energies.
He illustrates how these encounters feel distinct and specific, as if he is tapping into a deeper understanding of reality and the messages being communicated from this altered state of consciousness.
"We exist in some kind of a tri-system that includes a multiverse and other entities."
The conversation delves into the structure of the universe as Danny perceives it through his experiences. He proposes the existence of a triadic system which includes our multiverse and entities beyond the common understanding of deities.
Danny acknowledges that while many would map various religious figures to this system, there are clearly entities that transcend traditional beliefs, suggesting a complex hierarchy where not just one deity exists, but many, including a feminine ultimate source. This introduces a radical notion for mainstream beliefs, suggesting layers of existence and divinity beyond conventional interpretations.
"I'm the only God that you're dealing with. You don't even need to worry about what guy or what above. That's not even a thing."
This segment discusses the intimate relationship the speaker has with the concept of God, emphasizing that there is no need to concern oneself with other deities or divine beings.
The speaker conveys that the notion of God they experience is rooted in love, not hubris. This God reassures them that their worries about other gods are irrelevant.
The speaker believes that some truths may be too overwhelming or corrosive for individuals to handle, suggesting that it may be more beneficial to focus on what is relevant to one's immediate experience.
"If it's true, you want to know it... there’s something about knowledge that is divine, but you have to protect it."
The conversation shifts to the importance of knowledge, particularly truth derived from personal experience. The speaker feels that knowledge should be pursued, as it can lead to meaningful understanding.
They argue that knowledge, like powerful tools, can be used constructively or destructively. It is essential to use such knowledge wisely to cultivate growth rather than harm.
The speaker uses the metaphor of a chainsaw to illustrate how knowledge has the potential to build or destroy, depending on how it is applied.
"What do you do now that you know that? Do you talk about it? Do you live it?"
The speaker reflects on the dilemma that arises from personal revelations, particularly those that may be too profound or difficult to communicate to others.
They express uncertainty about whether these insights should be shared or simply lived, indicating a struggle with how to convey deeply transformative experiences.
The speaker recounts a significant moment where they felt compelled to withhold sharing their experience with someone close to them, highlighting the weight of such knowledge.
"You can’t believe it; you know it. That’s the difference."
This section emphasizes the distinction between knowing and believing when it comes to spiritual matters. The speaker suggests that true knowledge of God requires a profound experiential understanding rather than an academic belief system.
They highlight the importance of having an intimate relationship with the divine, arguing that superficial understanding may lead to discomfort or dissonance when faced with deeper truths.
The speaker also hints at a potential reconciliation within Christianity regarding the acceptance of those who live virtuous lives without explicit knowledge of Jesus, suggesting that one's openness to the divine is what truly matters.
"Everything we do, knowledge, technologies, that's divine and beautiful. It's just that it needs to be informed by the divine."
Danny emphasizes that human creativity and technological advancement should be guided by a higher consciousness or divine influence. He suggests that our current understanding of the universe and the technologies we develop will evolve only when we adopt the right mindset towards investigation and exploration.
He presents the metaphor of outer space as "untapped real estate," suggesting that the potential for growth and discovery is immense, but locked behind our current attitudes and limitations. This indicates a need for a paradigm shift in how humanity approaches knowledge and creation.
Danny believes that the creations we make should resonate with beauty and artistry, which he describes as vehicles to express the divine into the world.
"We're all prophets in that way... we need to understand the thing that unifies us."
He discusses the concept of prophecy, stating that while historical figures may be viewed as prophets, each person has the capacity to access and share profound truths. The conversation shifts the focus from individual figures to the collective understanding that can foster unity.
Danny underscores the importance of not becoming attached to specific individuals or leaders, suggesting that true wisdom and understanding can come directly from the universal truths that all individuals can access.
He argues that societal structures can often skew the message, making it essential to recognize the core ideas rather than the person delivering them. This sentiment points towards a collaborative and collective pursuit of knowledge.
"If we can just learn to be the nodes on the system, the antennas that amplify inspiration, we're going to make it easy."
Danny shares his belief that technology, especially social media, can serve as a tool to amplify genuinely inspired messages rather than unfiltered noise. He encourages individuals to act like "antennas" that curate and transmit meaningful insights.
The conversation emphasizes that merely amplifying any signal without discernment leads to chaos. It is crucial to focus on amplifying ideas that stem from higher understanding and creativity.
This idea aligns with Eastern philosophies that advocate for self-mastery and personal enlightenment as a path towards collective awareness.
"It's like I'm letting Jesus drive now."
The discussion shifts to personal stories of spiritual surrender, such as allowing a higher power to guide one's life decisions. Danny and his friend relate this concept to a broader spiritual journey where letting go of control can lead to a harmonious unfolding of life.
He highlights that embracing this mindset can relieve anxiety and foster trust that the universe is operating in one's favor, leading to more natural and organic growth.
The idea of being less of an "engineer" and more of a "gardener" metaphorically represents a shift from a mechanical approach to a more nurturing attitude towards personal development and the cultivation of one's life experiences.
"It's like a machine, a living thing, an organic tapestry made out of this code that’s constantly moving."
Danny Goler describes the DMT experience as a vibrant, dynamic entity, emphasizing its complexity and organization. He underscores that the experience does not feel arbitrary; rather, it feels realistic and structured, leading him to investigate the authenticity of the DMT space.
He expresses surprise at the collective nature of this experience, noting that when he began inviting others to explore DMT, they consistently reported seeing the same phenomena. This suggests that the DMT experience could have a shared aspect across different users.
"We ran some tests with a known scientist, Steuart Hamov, who worked on consciousness arising from quantum states and microtubules in the brain."
Goler collaborates with scientists to conduct research that involves brain scans during DMT experiences. He mentions a notable collaboration with Steuart Hamov, who has contributed to significant theories regarding consciousness.
The conversation highlights the importance of rigorous scientific methodology and testing in understanding altered states of consciousness induced by DMT. Goler explains how a psychedelic researcher participated in a DMT test without prior knowledge of the laser experiment, leading to authentic and spontaneous confirmations of the phenomena they typically observe.
"DMT is a molecule that your body makes; it functions as a neuromodulator."
Goler explains that DMT, or dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally occurring compound in the body, produced by various organs such as the lungs and certain parts of the brain. He challenges the common belief that it is primarily generated by the pineal gland.
He points out that DMT can be extracted from plants, specifically mentioning Mimosa hostilis, but it can also be synthesized in a lab. This synthetic process allows for greater control and knowledge over the substance being used.
"We started a nonprofit that will be doing all the actual science and investigation."
Goler talks about his ongoing projects, including a documentary titled "The Discovery," which aims to delve deeper into the implications of DMT and consciousness. He expresses excitement about collaborating with skilled filmmakers and scientists to bring these explorations to light.
He emphasizes the collective effort involved in these endeavors, acknowledging numerous contributors to the field of DMT research. Goler encourages audiences to explore more about their projects, suggesting that even a simple online search can lead to further information regarding their work with DMT and consciousness studies.